Stage-focused and superficial “iSee Church” in Brisbane, Australia, by effect of their refusal to answer a simple enquiry regarding opportunity for so-called fellowship, excommunicated an innocently excommunicated Christian.
iSee Church in Brisbane, Australia, refused to answer a simple enquiry if their church had fellowship opportunities, and by effect excommunicated an innocent Christian.
The email dialogue with iSee Church in Brisbane, Australia, is read chronologically from the bottom upwards beneath, with the most recent email at the top:
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Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:15:40 +1000 |
From: |
torsten@nenzen.net <nenzen@nenzen.org> |
To: |
Dave Hamers <davehamers@iseechurch.com> |
CC: |
Sunjay Stevenson <sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com>, Ade Ayoko <adeayoko@iseechurch.com>, Jim Walker <jimwalker@iseechurch.com> |
Subject: |
Re: Christian meetings |
Iseechurch Brisbane,
Hello Dave Hamers,
I cannot with 100% certainty know how to interpret the authenticity of your words and intention, although I do have some indications to what your church is about.
My first email to your church was on March 21. Your church never replied.
My second email to your church one month later was on April 25. Your church then decided to reply, and did so speedily within 24 hrs.
My third and fourth emails to your church on April 25 and April 29 was responded to on April 29.
No, I shall of course not seek to make an appointment with you for you to answer a very simple question, which you so far predictably have evaded.
Please answer the question:
"Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also single Christians in the age bracket 30-39 (maybe also late 20’s) gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church that I can attend and develop friendships"
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:35:58 +1000 |
From: |
Dave Hamers <davehamers@iseechurch.com> |
To: |
torsten@nenzen.net |
CC: |
Sunjay Stevenson <sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com>, Ade Ayoko <adeayoko@iseechurch.com>, Jim Walker <jimwalker@iseechurch.com> |
Subject: |
Re: Christian meetings |
Dear Torsten,
I believe you are misinterpreting the authenticity and heart of our church. We have very friendly and welcoming staff and a loving family community at iSEE Church.
We replied to your first email within 24 hours. Your second email was received on a very busy long weekend in the life of our church and today is the first work day of the week for most of our pastoral staff. Hence I am replying on the first work day since receiving your email response.
You seem to be jumping to some radical conclusions about our staff or church as none of our staff have ever mentioned things you outlined in your email dated - 1:03PM Tuesday April 29th.
If you have further questions about iSEE Church they would be much better answered in person.
Please arrange an appointment time if you would like to continue this discussion. Our office number is 1300 77 55 01
Ps Dave Hamers
Date: |
Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:03:47 +1000 |
From: |
torsten@nenzen.net <nenzen@nenzen.org> |
To: |
Dave Hamers <davehamers@iseechurch.com> |
CC: |
nfo@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com, adeayoko@iseechurch.com, jimwalker@iseechurch.com, andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, Sunjay Stevenson <sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com>, Ade Ayoko <adeayoko@iseechurch.com>, Jim Walker <jimwalker@iseechurch.com>, Andrew Kerridge <andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com>, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com |
Subject: |
Christian meetings |
iSeeChurch Brisbane.
Hi,
You have chosen to not reply, and it therefore appears that your invitation to "service" was disingenuous in regards to my enquiry for fellowship. It might be a sufficient reason to suspect that you are covertly excommunicating me, but as a typical cowardly, false and superficial "church" you lack the backbone (and Biblical justification) to excommunicate officially.
Regards,
Torsten Nenzén
Date: |
Fri, 25 Apr 2014 23:45:47 +1000 |
From: |
torsten@nenzen.net <nenzen@nenzen.org> |
To: |
Dave Hamers <davehamers@iseechurch.com> |
CC: |
nfo@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com, adeayoko@iseechurch.com, jimwalker@iseechurch.com, andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, Sunjay Stevenson <sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com>, Ade Ayoko <adeayoko@iseechurch.com>, Jim Walker <jimwalker@iseechurch.com>, Andrew Kerridge <andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com>, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com |
Subject: |
Re: Christian meetings |
iSeeChurch Brisbane.
Hi,
I have visited your church on March 9, 2014, for the 5 pm meeting at your rented venue at Southbank Institute of Technology. Your pastor Jim Walker frantically pranced about, back and forth, in and out, round and round, and finally approached me and asked "Are you waiting for someone?" Jim Walker repeated his question to me three times.
Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also single Christians in the age bracket 30-39 (maybe also late 20’s) gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church that I can attend and develop friendships?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzén
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Date: |
Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:54:08 +1000 |
From: |
Dave Hamers <davehamers@iseechurch.com> |
To: |
torsten@nenzen.net |
CC: |
nfo@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, Sunjay Stevenson <sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com>, Ade Ayoko <adeayoko@iseechurch.com>, Jim Walker <jimwalker@iseechurch.com>, Andrew Kerridge <andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com>, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com |
Subject: |
Re: Christian meetings |
Hey Torsten,
We'd love to see you at any one of our Sunday AM or PM services. Here's all of the details:
When you arrive, make yourself known and we'll get one of our leaders or pastors to come and say hello.
God Bless mate
Hope to see you soon
Ps Dave Hamers
Date: |
Thu, 24 Apr 2014 00:17:52 +1000 |
From: |
Torsten <t@nenzen.org> |
To: |
nfo@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com, adeayoko@iseechurch.com, jimwalker@iseechurch.com, andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com |
Subject: |
Christian meetings |
Dear iSEE Church Brisbane,
Hi.
I am a Christian here in Brisbane. I seek a Christian community in Brisbane where I might find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with also Christian singles.
Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also single Christians in the age bracket 30-39 (maybe also late 20’s) gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church that I can attend and develop friendships?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzén
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Date: |
Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:53:46 +1000 |
From: |
Torsten <t@nenzen.org> |
To: |
info@iseechurch.com, news@iseechurch.com, sunjaystevenson@iseechurch.com, adeayoko@iseechurch.com, jimwalker@iseechurch.com, andrewkerridge@iseechurch.com, bethfujinuma@iseechurch.com |
Subject: |
Christian meetings |
Dear iSEE Church Brisbane,
Hi.
I am a Christian here in Brisbane. I seek a Christian community in Brisbane where I might find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with also Christian singles.
Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also single Christians in the age bracket 30-39 (maybe also late 20’s) gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church that I can attend and develop friendships?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzén
Email: torsten@nenzen.net