Friendly “Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Community” in Brisbane, Australia, denies Trinitarian theology but cannot sustainably argue their non-Trinitarian theological position, and due to this possibly non-salvational theology the congregation might categorise as a non-Christian cult.

(http://bgemc.org)

Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Congregation on the Gold Coast in Queensland, Australia, denies Trinitarian theology and may at worst possibly mislead some adherents towards eternal separation from God.

Speculatively, CARM (http://carm.org/trinity) might categorise this congregation as a cult.

The email dialogue with Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Congregation in Brisbane, Australia, is read chronologically from the bottom upwards beneath, with the most recent email at the top:

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Shalom Torsten,

I really don't think I'm obliged to explain to you my reasons for not believing in the trinity.

My Yah is not a person. He is spirit and I must worship him in spirit and in truth. He is multifaceted, like a diamond, and the many names of Yah in Scripture proves this statement.

The term Trinity, was coined by a pagan by the name of Tertulian. Through demonic inspiration he compartmentalized the Godhead and coined the word trinity which of course is one of the most cherished doctrines of the Christian church today. The persons of the trinity doctrine flourishes is in the hierarchy based christian religions, which also views itself as a pyramid structure.

Tertulian theology is very akin to the likes of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz who were the original trinity of Babylon and he inserted the persons of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, making him extremely popular among pagan Gentile Christians.

This is a doctrine of man we choose not to adhere to. It is not Scriptural and therefore is not in Yah.

Tamar

Messianic Minister

Marriage Celebrant

‘Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Community

04 1875 0577

Beit Gan Eden Messianic Congreagtion.

Dear Tara Yeomans,

Thanks for allowing me to visit your congregation twice. I enjoyed the friendliness upon both visits. However, I am also very concerned about emphases of your teaching and theology.

Your BGEMC congregation (http://www.bgemc.org/beitfath.htm) clearly do not endorse a Trinitarian Godhead, but describes Yeshua as an “aspect” of God.

Your CTOMC (http://www.ctomc.ca/sof.html) appears to not endorse a Trinitarian Godhead, but describes Yeshua as one of three primary “contexts” of God.

Please summarise your argument and also exhaustively explain your philosophical reasoning that the Godhead as written in the Judeo-Christian Bible is not three persons of God, but is only three “aspects” or three “contexts” of God.

·         What is your particular definition of a person?

·         What is your particular definition of personhood?

·         What is your particular definition of ‘aspect’?

·         What is your particular definition of ‘context’?

In light of what I heard you say when I visited your congregational afternoon study, which I also publicly objected to in a kind manner directly to you, in comparing importances between Yeshua and the Torah, concluding by you that “The torah is most important.”, I am deeply concerned that your non-Trinitarian emphases could be reflective of a non-salvational theology in its depreciation of the full divinity and full humanity of Yeshua HaMashiach.

Please fully explain your non-Trinitarian theology.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

Shalom Torsten,

I'm not too sure what you mean by a classical trinitarian view. We do not believe in the Trinity.

Y'HoVaH is Spirit and we have to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

How can there be three persons in one, when two of the three that are claimed as people are actually spirits. As far as we are concerned the plurality of Yah is more like a diamond and multifaceted to encompass everything he is and does.

Blessings in Yeshua

Tamar

Messianic Minister

Marriage Celebrant

Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Community

04 1875 0577

Hi Tamar!

Thanks for providing an insight to an Aramaic text perspective in comparison to the Greek translation, especially in regards to "forsaken" contra "spared". There might be one or two necessary adjustments to improve mainstream translations, but there appears to also be valid arguments against Lamsa anti-Greek translations. In any case, this particular Aramaic translation of the word "spared" does seem more coherent with a classical Trinitarian view.

Best regards,

Torsten

Shalom Torsten,

Yes! We do have people who travel from Kallangur and Petrie each week to come to our services. I am sure that if you can get yourself down, then it may be possible to organise you a lift back. I am reticent to arrange lifts for people that are unknown to us.

Yes there are also a couple of young people in the age group that you mentioned.

Our congregation comprises of people from young children 2-3 years to the elderly late 80’s and even into the 90’s. I would say that the majority are in the 50 – 70 year age group.

We are associated with the Coalition of Torah Observant Messianic Communities based out of Nova Scotia in Canada.

Blessings in Yeshua,

Tamar

M.Min Tamar Yeomans

Beit Gan-Eden Messianic Community

info@bgemc.org

Mob. 04 1875 0577

Beit Gan-Eden,

Hi!

I have been thinking about visiting your congregation during the past weeks, and now towards Pesach I might just do that. I might visit on Saturday April 12 already.

- I'm in Dakabin. Does anyone commute from up north?

- Are there also young adults (late 20's to 39) and single people in your congregation?

- Is your congregation associated with any of the Messianic umbrella organisations such as IAMCS?

Best regards,

Torsten