All Souls Church Langham Place
in London, United Kingdom
All Souls Church in London is an example of a London church office that practices dishonesty, prejudice, denial, and prioritises collegial loyalty on behalf of truth.
All Souls Church obstructs God’s and my will to find a Christian woman to marry, and is intent to protect single women from me, as the church office writes “we do not now feel able to put you in a group where there will be young single women”, and the church office founds this decision on the evils of other church pastors – as All Souls Church refers to my website about the rejections and excommunications by other “Christian” leaders; ”but also seeing your website”.
After repeated enquiries during more than three months to All Souls Church Langham Place if there were opportunities in their church where also single people can meet, and after their church staff then had excluded me from participation in any of their weekly fellowship groups as a way to protect their single females from communicating with me, the rector of All Souls Church, Hugh Palmer, finally decided that he intended to answer my simple questions regarding their church’s partial excommunication. The rector Hugh Palmer did not want to reply explicitly in writing, but required to answer only through a personal meeting. My three questions to All Souls Church were:
The All Souls Church rector Hugh Palmer did not further answer my third question, and All Souls Church did not want to change their decision to ban me from participation in any fellowship group that may have single females, and the All Souls Church rector did not unconditionally acknowledge and repent from their church staff’s errant presumptuousness and prejudice against me. On the contrary, the rector Hugh Palmer of All Souls Church fortified the prejudices of All Souls Church against me, and shifted the cause of their prejudices onto me. According the expressed words of the rector of All Souls Church, I am the cause of their church’s discrimination against me. As a fitting analogy of All Souls Church’s transferring of responsibility for the church’s prejudice and ban against me, for the sake of argument, this would be similar to a racist blaming for example a native African individual for the racist’s admitted discrimination against the native African individual.
The following are exact citations from a scheduled conversation on August 8, 2012 with rector Hugh Palmer of All Souls Church Langham Place, London, United Kingdom.
Question 1: On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
Answer: “There is enough things in what is written [on the internet].”
All Souls Church rector Hugh Palmer complemented his answer with the following:
· “You don’t seem to notice how much confusion that you cause as to where you are coming from.”
· “You seem very slow to think through how you might be heard.”
· “You need to realise what you can be heard to be saying, which is that the dominant question is ‘Where can I find a partner?’.”
Question 2: Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females? Why do you exclude me from your fellowship groups where there are females?
Answer: “We have a duty to protect the wide members of the community.”, “Because at that stage, as your predominant question is being with other females, and reading about other churches [reading on internet that other churches have excommunicated], we have a responsibility. We don’t want people to come with a clash of other priorities.”
In Hugh Palmer’s replies, it is evident that All Souls Church cannot differentiate between a priority and an objective. The facts that I openly declare on my website (http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf) that my primary objective for visiting churches in London is to seek fellowship, and that “My primary objective for visiting London is to find a Christian woman to marry, and my secondary objective is to communicate the Gospel message to people on a street level.”, are not statements about my priorities. God is most important in my life! It does not require much intellectual discernment to understand, as described on my website (http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf), that if I am continuously prepared to sacrifice everything since 1999 for the sake of proclaiming an uncompromised Gospel message to people in spite of Swedish/satanic and ”church”-based persecution, then my heart priority obviously must be God.
The rector of All Souls Church, Hugh Palmer, revealed his personal feelings concerning me as a person as he spoke “It felt that you were hurt and angry, and that is the kindest I can put.”
The ministers and staff of All Souls Church in London, United Kingdom, prove to be a cowardly and devilish.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Palmer
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: All Souls Church allegations and discrimination
Dear Torsten,
I can meet with you on Wednesday 8th August at 12.00. Please come along to the Welcome Desk at the front of the church and ask for me.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Hugh Palmer
Cc: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org ; Wanyeki.Mahiaini@allsouls.org ; Rico.Tice@allsouls.org ; Alexandra.Dickinson@allsouls.org ; Mark.Prentice@allsouls.org ; Noel.Tredinnick@allsouls.org ; Anna.Bishop@allsouls.org ; Chris.Wright@allsouls.org ; Jonny.Dyer@allsouls.org ; Paul.Enns@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Brown@allsouls.org ; Ben.Mandley@allsouls.org ; Charmaine.Muir@allsouls.org ; Trevor.Pearce@allsouls.org ; David.Turner@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Gallagher@allsouls.org
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: All Souls Church allegations and discrimination
Hugh Palmer.
We can meet and communicate. The two unanswered specific questions will return to you at such a meeting, where you will have additional opportunity to begin to explain your church's allegations and subsequent discrimination. I am available Monday-Friday between 11:00 to 13:00.
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Palmer
Cc: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org ; Wanyeki.Mahiaini@allsouls.org ; Rico.Tice@allsouls.org ; Alexandra.Dickinson@allsouls.org ; Mark.Prentice@allsouls.org ; Noel.Tredinnick@allsouls.org ; Anna.Bishop@allsouls.org ; Chris.Wright@allsouls.org ; Jonny.Dyer@allsouls.org ; Paul.Enns@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Brown@allsouls.org ; Ben.Mandley@allsouls.org ; Charmaine.Muir@allsouls.org ; Trevor.Pearce@allsouls.org ; David.Turner@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Gallagher@allsouls.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Cowardly and devilish staff of All Souls Church
Dear Torsten
I am sorry. I do feel that we have answered your questions, however, I am willing to meet with you over a coffee to talk this through but not if you are going to persist with the abusive language of your emails.
Hugh Palmer
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org ; Wanyeki.Mahiaini@allsouls.org ; Rico.Tice@allsouls.org ; Alexandra.Dickinson@allsouls.org ; Mark.Prentice@allsouls.org ; Noel.Tredinnick@allsouls.org ; Anna.Bishop@allsouls.org ; Chris.Wright@allsouls.org ; Jonny.Dyer@allsouls.org ; Paul.Enns@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Brown@allsouls.org ; Ben.Mandley@allsouls.org ; Charmaine.Muir@allsouls.org ; Trevor.Pearce@allsouls.org ; David.Turner@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Gallagher@allsouls.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: Cowardly and devilish staff of All Souls Church
All Souls Church -- including the cowardly and devilish Hugh Palmer and other devilish staff.
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
1 - On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
2 - Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females?
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Cc: Wanyeki.Mahiaini@allsouls.org ; Rico.Tice@allsouls.org ; Alexandra.Dickinson@allsouls.org ; Mark.Prentice@allsouls.org ; Noel.Tredinnick@allsouls.org ; Anna.Bishop@allsouls.org ; Chris.Wright@allsouls.org ; Jonny.Dyer@allsouls.org ; Paul.Enns@allsouls.org ; Mark.Meynell@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Brown@allsouls.org ; Ben.Mandley@allsouls.org ; Charmaine.Muir@allsouls.org ; Trevor.Pearce@allsouls.org ; David.Turner@allsouls.org ; Jenny.Gallagher@allsouls.org
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:52 PM
Subject: Cowardly and devilish staff of All Souls Church
All Souls Church -- including the cowardly and devilish Hugh Palmer and other devilish staff.
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
1 - On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
2 - Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females?
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Cowardly and devilish staff of All Souls Church
All Souls Church -- including the cowardly and devilish Hugh Palmer and other devilish staff.
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
1 - On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
2 - Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females?
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Selective souls in All Souls, through prejudist and dishonest souls?
All Souls Church -- including the cowardly and devilish Hugh Palmer and other devilish staff.
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
1 - On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
2 - Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females?
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Selective souls in All Souls, through prejudist and dishonest souls?
All Souls Church,
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Fw: Selective souls in All Souls, through prejudist and dishonest souls?
All Souls Church,
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Fw: Selective souls in All Souls, through prejudist and dishonest souls?
All Souls Church,
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; melinda.hendry@allsouls.org
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: Selective souls in All Souls, through prejudist and dishonest souls?
All Souls Church,
You did not reply to my previous email. Neither did you answer my two questions. Please answer them.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Hugh Palmer
Cc: Melinda Hendry ; info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: All Souls dehumanisation and distortion
All Souls Church,
Through your reply letter, it becomes increasingly clear that you act as a typical church office: with dishonesty, prejudice, denial, and prioritise collegial loyalty on behalf of truth.
You did not answer my two questions. Please answer them.
It is evident that you are intent to obstruct God’s and my will to find a Christian woman to marry, and that you are protecting single women from me, as you write “we do not now feel able to put you in a group where there will be young single women”, and that you base this satanic decision on the evils of other church pastors – as your declared ”but also seeing your website”.
Please repent from your satanic agenda against the innocently excommunicated. Be honest! And be Christians!
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Palmer
Cc: Melinda Hendry ; info@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: All Souls dehumanisation and distortion
Dear Torsten
I have spoken with Melinda and am replying to your email.
It is clear both from her previous email and what she has told me that Melinda has neither refused you a place in a Fellowship Group nor claimed to know your spiritual priorities nor used the language of calling you 'a danger to women'.
What she has done is to explain the aims and purposes of such a group and ask if you fit into that. She took that step not just because of your emails and her conversation with you but also seeing your website where it is clear that these kind of conversations have been held with a number of churches, some of which we know and respect, and have led to them having significant concerns too.
While the charges of hypocrisy you level at us need to call us to examine ourselves, it should also be true that if so many have picked up the same concerns from your communications with them there should be a place for you too to reflect at the very least on how you are presenting yourself.
Yours
Hugh Palmer
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Melinda Hendry
Cc: info@allsouls.org ; hugh.palmer@allsouls.org ; mark.meynell@allsouls.org ; monty.erskine@allsouls.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:51 AM
Subject: All Souls dehumanisation and distortion
All Souls Church,
From your letter it is evident that: 1) you falsely, and baselessly, accuse me of not prioritising Jesus Christ in my life, and 2) you regard me as dangerous to single Christian women and therefore protect single women from me, by isolating me.
Therefore, I ask All Souls church the following two questions:
1 - On what basis do you accuse me that I do not prioritise Jesus Christ in my life?
2 - Why do you regard me as dangerous to Christian single females?
Apart from All Souls’ grotesque distortion of my person, it is also clear that All Souls is more of a religious institution rather than a Christian church.
It is obvious that All Souls church has diminished God’s concept of “growth in Christ” through dehumanisation. For All Souls church, the diminishing of God’s concept of “growth in Christ” leads to belittling of real peoples’ real lives, overspiritualisation, and ungodly depreciation and neglect of some human needs. All Souls excludes marital-interested friendships from God’s concept of “growth in Christ”.
With ignorance and shameful hypocrisy, you state that your Fellowship Groups are intended to “encourage one another in Christian friendship and fellowship, and pray for one another”. Friends care for each other. If a person has a need that another person easily can support, but the capable person is unwilling to support, then such a person is not a friend. In authentic Christian fellowship, all perceived needs are real, and where a need has Biblical solution (the Biblical solution for marriage-minded single Christians in need of marriage, is marriage), and other Christians are capable to support, they are also morally obligated to support.
Scriptures that All Souls apparently neglect:
James 2:13-20
Luke 10:25-37
Proverbs 3:27-28
A Scripture descriptive of All Souls hypocrisy:
Matthew 23:3
It is additionally clear that the associate minister of All Souls, Melinda Hendry, is unreliable. At the scheduled meeting at All Souls church on Sunday July 1 with Melinda Hendry, I asked twice if it was her intention to seek a Fellowship Group that I could participate in this week, and she affirmed twice.
For several years I have asserted that church offices are among the most assured places where satan governs (or at least exercises some influence over) in Western societies, and All Souls is not an exception.
Please answer my two questions.
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
torsten@nenzen.net
mobile: +46 707 77 77 54
Skype: blessisrael
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Hendry
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Fellowship Group Form
Dear Torsten,
Since our conversation on Sunday, I have been made aware of communication you have had with a number of other churches regarding meeting single people. As you will know from the information you’ve received about our Fellowship Groups, the main purpose for our groups is for the members to grow in Christ as they study the Bible together, encourage one another in Christian friendship and fellowship, and pray for one another. Before we place you in a Fellowship Group, we would therefore like to be assured that this is also your main purpose in joining a group. People join groups with all sorts of needs and wants, however if the main priority of the group members is not growth in Christ then the groups cannot function well.
I also want to be upfront with you about the fact that we do not now feel able to put you in a group where there will be young single women. The women who join fellowship groups do so because they want to grow as followers of Christ, and in all good conscience it would not be right for us to place someone in the group who is not primarily concerned with their Christian growth. If you wanted to join a group with others, then we can look to see where we could find a group for you.
Regards,
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Melinda Hendry
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
Hello Melinda,
Thanks for responding to my email.
I don't think it is an issue about "welcoming everybody". Organising greeters to be saying "Hello, welcome to our church." means absolutely nothing. It is cheap words without substance. A 15-30 min tea/coffee drinking session after preachings on Sundays is too short time to get to know even one person.
No, I seek opportunities where also single people can meet and communicate with each other. If no person inside the church building wants to communicate with me, then no relationship will develop.
Churches generally foster superficial sub-cultures. It seems that intellectual, discerning, cultivated and honest people avoid or eventually leave churches.
I plan to visit All Souls this Sunday at either 9:30 or 11:30. Probably 11:30, as there seems to be also single people at that morning service (although they don't stay to communicate and build relationships).
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Charmaine Muir
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Christian relationships at All Souls
Hi Torsten
Thank you for your email.
We don't actually have a singles ministry at All Souls. Our 20s and 30s ministry is open to anyone in that age category (and most of it actually open to those who are outside that category as well) whether married or single.
Generally we encourage people to meet each other through the regular events of the church, particularly small groups such as Springboard or Fellowship Groups, as this is a good way to get to know people and build friendships. Springboard meets on a Wednesday evening at St Paul's, Robert Adam St.
We also run a monthly lunch on a sunday as an opportunity for people to meet up. Details of this are on the website and on service sheets.
Regards
Charmaine
Charmaine Muir
Workplace Ministry Worker
All Souls, Langham Place
Tel: 07703 682 057
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Melinda Hendry ; info@allsouls.org
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
All Souls Church,
I visited All Souls church yesterday, Sunday June 24, and you had the possibility to speak with me then. Anyone had the possibility to communicate with me yesterday in your church, but your church-people on Sundays do not seem very interested to communicate with strangers.
Are there real opportunities in All Souls where it is possible to find other single Christians who want to communicate?
I cannot guarantee that I will visit Sunday by Sunday, every Sunday. My continued visiting of All Souls chuch building depends on if church-people in All Souls will want to communicate.
It seems that you are more concerned about having people promise to regularly occupy benchspace in your church, than having people find opportunity to communicate with each other and build relationships.
I can meet and talk with the person of your church that needs to talk to me regarding fellowship next occasion, which I presume is Sunday.
After having repeatedly emailed the All Souls running group the past month, there is still no reply from that group regarding contact information as to make calibration of a meeting point possible.
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Hendry
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
Dear Torsten,
Being a part of the church family means coming Sunday by Sunday. You are welcome to be part of a fellowship group and if you would still like to be part of a group perhaps we could meet for a few minutes on a Sunday so I can tell you a bit more about our groups since you are not able to make it to Gateway.
In Christ,
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Melinda Hendry ; info@allsouls.org
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
Hello Melinda Hendry,
From what I determine from your email, it is required that I either first "be part of the church family" or that I promise to "be part of the church family" to be allowed to participate in Fellowship Groups. What is your definition of "be part of the church family"?
I cannot commit to a group of people that I do not know, and I cannot commit to a local church that does not care about my life.
I am not sure that it is possible for me to be present on June 26 for your "Gateway".
Am I welcome to Fellowship Groups in All Souls?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Hendry
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
Dear Torsten,
I want to apologise first of all that no one from the church office got back to you about small groups. I am not sure why that happened, but I know they try very hard to respond to everyone who gets in touch.
I also want to clarify what we mean when we say that All Souls Fellowship Groups are for members of All Souls. We are not looking for you to have signed up to a formal membership of All Souls, but simply to be a part of the church family. Our Fellowship Groups are like little families and just as there is a two-way commitment in families, so we ask for a two-way commitment in our groups. Since you ask about where you can meet other single people, I should let you know that our Fellowship Groups are not exclusively made up of single people.
We do have a 20s and 30s ministry that meets every month, and you can find out more details about that from Charmaine Muir. Her email address is charmaine.muir@allsouls.org.
I don't know who runs the running club, but the email address to contact is running@allsouls.org.
If you still want to join a Fellowship Group, I'd be very happy to talk further with you.
In Christ,
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Melinda Hendry
Cc: info@allsouls.org ; running@allsouls.org ; sports@allsouls.org
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Small Groups at All Souls
All Souls.
Hello Melinda Henry,
Thanks for informing me about All Souls fellowship groups.
I have now read in your attached pdf-document about All Souls fellowship groups, which states that "All Souls Fellowship Groups are for members of All Souls who have committed to being part of the church family.”
Firstly, I am not a member of All Souls church. Secondly, church membership of church organisations do not appeal to me, and I have no intention to become a member of any church organisation where there is a void of relationship, fellowship and care. And thirdly, I am not committed to be part of All Souls church.
Let me place those three statements into a perspective. All Souls church is demanding membership prior to relationship. And All Souls church is demanding commitment prior to fellowship. I am sorry, but those static prerequisites are a hindrance. Instead, a natural and dynamic progression would be that relationship/friendship/fellowship/care precedes commitment/membership, and not vice versa. As it is evident from my previous contacts with All Souls church office staffs; no one in All Souls cares about helping me to find opportunities to meet and communicate with other Christian singles, and therefore, your demands that I first become a member and commit to All Souls church, certainly does not evoke the level of trust needed to want to commit to All Souls church.
If the All Souls organisation do not care about individual persons, why should individual persons care about joining the All Souls organisation?
Prior to my wanting to attend All Souls “Gateway”, I would like to have a reply to my previously unanswered questions:
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single Christians can meet and communicate?
Also, how do I contact the jogging group?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Hendry
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:24 AM
Subject: Small Groups at All Souls
Dear Torsten,
My name is Melinda Hendry and I work with our Fellowship Groups (home groups) at All Souls. My husband passed your card onto me saying you were interested in joining a small group at All Souls.
I've attached an information sheet to this email which tells you a bit more about our fellowship groups. The best way to join a fellowship group is to come to the Gateway group first. This is a group we run for everyone who wants to join a regular Fellowship group, and it gives us the chance to meet you so we can get you into the right group and for you to hear more about our groups. The next Gateway evening will take place this coming Tuesday evening (26 June) and it meets in the Meeting Room at All Souls from 7-9pm. To get to the meeting room, come around to the back door of All Souls (you can get there by going around the church on the BBC side). You'll see a green door marked 'church house'. Buzz up to the '3rd floor offices and meeting room', and we'll let you in. The meeting room is on the 3rd floor.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch. If you can't make it on Tuesday evening, we can make another arrangement as it's the final Gateway meeting before our groups take a break for the summer.
In Christ,
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: info@allsouls.org ; running@allsouls.org
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Christian relationships All Souls
All Souls Church,
Hi.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single Christians can meet and communicate?
Also, how do I contact the jogging group?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Text message: +46 707 77 77 54
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Welcome Desk ; SOLE Sports
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: Christian relationships All Souls
All Souls Church,
Hi.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single Christians can meet and communicate?
Also, how do I contact the jogging group?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Text message: +46 707 77 77 54
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Welcome Desk ; SOLE Sports
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Fw: running
All Souls Church.
Hi.
Your church is not responding to emails in a smart way.
1) How do people who enjoy running connect with other runners of your church? (read email beneath)
2) And, how do singles connect with singles in your church? (read other emails from me)
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Welcome Desk
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:55 AM
Subject: Christian relationships
Hi.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single Christians can meet?
Also, is there any individual in your church involved in street evangelism?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Text message: +46 707 77 77 54
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Welcome Desk
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: relationships
All Souls Church,
Hi.
As usual, there is no additional information provided in your previous two responses regarding opportunities for single Christians to meet. So I ask you a third time: Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet to build relationships?
On your website ther is:
Fellowship Groups: with no information about locations and contact persons
Gateway Group: with no information about locations and contact persons
Sole Sports: with no information about contact persons, and no person responds to the Runner’s group email
I can see that there is now sufficient information (time/location) about the upcoming monthly event “Second Sunday”. Monthly events are great and I will participate. However, monthly events are insufficient for relationship building or community building.
Please provide more information regarding fellowship, gateway and sports.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: fellowshipgroups@allsouls.org
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: relationships
Fellowship groups of All Souls,
Hi.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Text message: +46 707 77 77 54
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Welcome Desk
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: relationships
All Souls Church,
Hi again.
I asked the running/jogging sports ministry (email copied beneath) of your church on May 3 (over one week ago) how to connect with Christian joggers, but of course they are refusing to answer.
I can see on your website that there is a 20/30's ministry and something called Second Sunday. But as usual, there is not sufficient information on your website to know the time and location of meetings.
Therefore, if you don't mind, I will simply have to repeat my question to All Souls Church: Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet to build relationships?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
----- Original Message -----
From: Welcome Desk
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: relationships
Hi Torsten
Thanks for your email. You would be very welcome at All Souls we dont have a specific singles ministry but obviously they are lots of singles of all ages. Do have a look at our website to see all that is going on.
Regards
Amanda
----- Original Message -----
From: torsten@nenzen.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: relationships
All Souls: Langham Place, St Paul, St Peter
Hi.
I am a Christian single man visiting here in London for some time. I seek a Christian community where I also can find opportunities to meet and talk with other Christian singles. As many people understand; without interpersonal communication Christian relationships between opposite genders cannot emerge.
Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single people can meet?
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Text message: +46 707 77 77 54